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10:03 < Anand_RIPENCC> Good morning. My name is Anand. I'll be monitoring chat during this Plenary session, which is about to start
10:04 < Anand_RIPENCC> If you have a questions, I can read it out for you. Please identify yourself and your organisation and make the question as clear as possible. I will read out your question or comment when the speaker asks for them.
10:04 < Anand_RIPENCC> Please note that all chat transcripts will be archived and available on www.ripe.net
10:05 < Anand_RIPENCC> The plenary has now started and Joao is introducing the speaking
10:06 < Anand_RIPENCC> Michael behring has begun the presentation: Network Complexity
10:06 < Anand_RIPENCC> Michael Behringer, apologies
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10:24 < Anand_RIPENCC> Michael Behringer is now passing on to the panel consisting of Geoff Huston, Nico Fischbasch, Gert Doering
10:24 < Anand_RIPENCC> Geoff Huston has begun his presentation: What is complexity
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10:33 < Anand_RIPENCC> Geoff Huston has finished speaking
10:34 < Anand_RIPENCC> Nico Fischbach is now presenting: Complexity
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10:37 < Anand_RIPENCC> Gert Doering is now speaking about Complexity
10:38 < Sjoerd_NCC> I don't understand... (too complex)
10:38 < keith-1280> don't try this at home kids...
10:39 < Anand_RIPENCC> Michael Behringer has asked for questions
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10:48 < ripe282> Maurizio Pizzonia - Roma Tre University. Complex systems are always managed by splitting them in "modules". Software engineering community has a lot of experience in doing this, they "measure" complexity and ask for high cohesion and low coupling, also they clearly define interfaces among modules. Can all this be helpful in networking? Can software engineering techniques be adopted, or inspire some practice shift, in network management or de
10:50 < Anticimex-48514> ip-over-ajax
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10:51 < wtremmel> Hmm, watching the webcast makes me thing if anybody has tried "IP over Webcam" yet
10:52 < Anand_RIPENCC> thanks Maurizio. I will ask your question shortly.
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10:54 < rvs> in my humble opinion people look at the components and manage them accordingly instead of seeing it as a service
10:54 < rvs> but that is already been stated
10:55 < rvs> from an operations point of view there is a devops movement trying to tackle the wall of confusion that exists between departments
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11:03 < Anand_RIPENCC> any more questions or comments?
11:06 < cvb> Can we get the text in real time running top of the screen that I see through the video?
11:07 < Anand_RIPENCC> cvb: do you mean the stenography?
11:07 < cvb> yes
11:08 < Anand_RIPENCC> let me check
11:08 < Ben_RIPENCC> its shown on ripe61.ripe.net/live
11:08 < Anand_RIPENCC> Thanks Ben
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11:09 < Ben_RIPENCC> its actually showing http://www.streamtext.net/text.aspx?event=ripe61_plenary3&ff=Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif&fs=20&fgc=000000&bgc=FFFFFF&header=false&controls=false&footer=false&chat=false
11:09 < Anand_RIPENCC> The Presentation has ended
11:09 < cvb> Yes, and whether the video is available in the future on the site? Now I'm at work, constantly distracted, unfortunately, but very interesting.
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11:10 < wm> Do it like me, and let your boss pay you for watching :P
11:10 < Ben_RIPENCC> yes, they *should* appear automatically as soon as each session ends
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11:11 < Anand_RIPENCC> Markus Arnold and Thomas Weible have begun the presentation "The Battle of Optics"
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11:16 < Ben_RIPENCC> @cvb infact, sorry, they dont appear automatically...but will be available for download, probably from next week
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11:17 < Ben_RIPENCC> or sometime this week
11:18 < cvb> wm: Unfortunately my boss is on vacation and I'm working as a squirrel in a cage :)
11:18 < cvb> Ben_RIPENCC: excellent! I will wait!
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11:24 < Anand_RIPENCC> The presenters have asked for questions
11:25 < Anand_RIPENCC> Th presentation has ended
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11:25 < Anand_RIPENCC> The plenary session has ended