Address Policy Working Group

09:00 – Wednesday, 17 November 2010

A: Administrative Matters (5 mins)

  • Welcome
  • Select a scribe
  • Jabber Monitor
  • Microphone Etiquette
  • Approve Minutes from RIPE 60
  • Finalise agenda

B. Current Policy Topics – Emilio Madaio, RIPE NCC (20-30 mins)

  • Global policy overview “what’s going on?”
  • Common policy topics in all regions (end of IPv4, transfers, …)
  • Overview over concluded proposals in the RIPE region since RIPE 60 
    • 2008-07 Efficient Use of Historical IPv4 Resources – withdrawn
    • 2009-01 Global Policy … Allocation of IPv4 to RIRs – accepted
    • 2010-03 Global Policy State in RIPE PDP – withdrawn
    • 2010-04 80% Rule Ambiguity Clean-up – accepted
  • A Brief Overview of New Proposals (2010-05, 2010-06, 2010-07)

C. Document Cosmetic Surgeries Project - Emilio Madaio, RIPE NCC (10 mins)

  • Update on current status
  • How to go forward?

D. Rough Edges of Current Policies - Alex Le Heux, RIPE NCC (30 mins)

A report from the RIPE NCC Registration Services Department on issues and unintended side-effects showing up in the daily implementation of RIPE policies.

  • Transfer policy and problems with business take-overs [problem statement]
  • PI size distribution and its history (growing assignments) [background info]
  • IPv6 PI vs. IPv4 PI – Background data [background info]

Discussion about the transfer policy issues, and what to do about it.

E. More Rough Edges of the Current Policies (10 mins)

“Things that have come up in various forums”

  • Interpretation of “utilisation threshold” in IPv6 policy regarding /48 and /56s – Proposal by Arno Meulenkamp for wording clean up:

“It might be good to rephrase the text to “Subsequent allocation will be provided when an organisation (i.e. ISP/LIR) satisfies the evaluation threshold of past address utilisation in terms of assigned address space in units of /56 blocks.”   (5.2.1, discussion on ipv6-ops [at] cluenet [dot] de)

[came up in discussion on the ipv6-ops list, presentation by Gert Doering]

  • “End Site” Definition in RIPE 481, Section 2.9 - Sander Steffann
    • Where there exist two ADSL links, not connected networks under the same legal organisation -> is there a conflict or not?  1 /48 or 2?  Do we need to change the policy/clarify the policy text? This came up initially during a discussion between the working group chairs.

11:00 – Wednesday, 17 November 2010

G. Discussion of Open Policy Proposals, Not “PI-Related”

  • 2010-01 Temporary Internet Number Assignment Policies [ONGOING] – Nick Hilliard (15 mins)

H. Discussion of Open Policy Proposals, “PI-Related”

  • 2006-05 PI Assignment Size [ONGOING/REVIVED] – Nick Hilliard (15 mins)
  • 2010-07 Ambiguity Clean-up on IPv6 Address Space Policy for IXPs [NEW] – Sergi Polischuk  (10 mins)

I. Even More Rough Edges of Current Policies – Presentations & Discussions (45 mins)

  • Definition of “openness” in the IPv6 EIX Policy – Gert Doering
    • Initiated by 2010-07, but widening the scope from “wording change” to “figure out what the policy should be, *then* talk about specific wording”
  • Generic IPv6 PI Discussion
    • PI Background Information – Alex le Heux, RIPE NCC
      • Background information about PI size distribution and its history (growing assignments)
      • IPv6 PI vs. IPv4 PI – background data and information
  • PI Differences between IPv4 and IPv6 – Discussion led by Gert Doering
    • These differences  have been under discussion since RIPE 59 – but no specific proposals are yet on the table yet.  Is there a need to change the policy, or is it “mostly fine”?

09:00 – Thursday, 18 November 2010

T. Discussion of Open Policy Proposals, Part 3 (Older ongoing Proposals) (60 mins)

  • 2010-05 – Global Policy for IPv4 Allocation by the IANA post exhaustion [NEW] – Jason Schiller et. al.
  • 2008-08 Initial Certification Policy for PA Space Holders  [ONGOING] – Nigel Titley, CA TF – Version 2 Update
  • 2010-02 Allocations From the Last /8  [NEW] – Philip Smith and Alain Bidron

Y. Open Policy Hour

The Open Policy Hour is based on sessions held at the ARIN policy meetings. It offers a showcase for policy ideas. If you have a policy proposal you’d like to debut, prior to formally submitting it, this is your opportunity.

  • Martin Hannigan / Jason Schiller: Proposal About Inter-RIR Transfers

Z. A.O.B.